FK – Without seeing I’m guessing it could be called iconography. Does it show a bearded hey zeus? Who was the photographer or the ‘artist’ or illustrator?

The Ten Commandments on the wall doesn’t bother me. But let’s not be silly, or mindless.

Now I’m actually watching it. Is that preacher carrying a gun so he could defend his would-be fellow cultists? Or does he prefer the unsaved be burned alive in fire forever because they said “No thanks” to his alter call?

I grew up in this crap. Now it disgusts me. What’s really disgusting is what mainstream christianity has become, if it wasn’t already intended to be from the beginning, a tool of the state. Think about it: Obey the magistrates; pay your taxes; be a good servant or slave cause you’ll have paradise in the next life; don’t commit suicide or risk hell fire no matter your condition or suffering; don’t kill unless god(his reps on Earth, the priests or kings) orders you to go over the hill and kill all the pagans and not bring back so much as a goat or a sack of grain; you’re gonna get beamed up soon(modern interpretation) so you don’t have be politically active…

What would they say if a copy of the Bill of Rights were being removed? That’s what truly makes this country exceptional, including the ‘no cruel and unusual punishment’ part. Not like the ancient tribal propaganda with its bronze age god that was patterned after the ancient tyrannical kings who looked down their noses at their subjects and said “Obey me or I’ll torture and/or kill you.”

God works around ‘the devil?’ God made the devil according to most interpretations of the ancient tribal propaganda so ‘the devil’ by whatever name or incarnation is his tool.

Not sure of this guy’s version, sub-version or subversion but 30 years in this world, even at that time period, two years or so preaching, 3 days of torture at the hands of the Romans at the behest of the Jews who most certainly would have killed him themselves if they could have, doesn’t equal billions being burned alive in fire forever. No way no how.

The First Amendment is about ‘freedom from religion,’ any imposition via the Federal govt. of any religion or version, sub-version or subversion. Simple fact. What would he be saying if the fundie ragheads were trying to establish Sharia law and playing the ‘call to prayer’ 5 times a day in every podunk town in this country?

The ‘devil beating god’ would be like a carved chess piece beating the carver. This guy is paraphrasing ancient esoterica with no understanding of it. But then how much does the average believer understand? Most of them only nod their heads on Sundays and if they read their version of the ancient tribal propaganda they clearly don’t understand it. Anyone who claims it’s ‘inerrant’ and ‘true’ is a child.

Will the human race ever grow up? I don’t expect to see it in my time in this realm. We are still a very primitive species and we still exist in a very dark age.

Sir, the commies have been here for decades. Our failure to call them what they are and to hunt them to extinction is why we are losing our country and our Liberty. Your religion has played a major part in that. Simple sad fact.

Who’s educating(indoctrinating) your pastors?

The reason for maryjane in the schools is we have a less sheltered culture than we once had, and of course the drug war, which isn’t about morality or protecting the children or saving society but about money. Like the war on terror if the drug war wasn’t profitable for all the ‘right’ people it wouldn’t exist.

When I went away to college in the early 80s it was easier to acquire marijuana because it was illicit and the liquor stores actually required I.D. most of the time vs. the liquor stores back home who would on occasion tell me “Come back next weekend, the ABC’s in town.” This was in central Kentucky, on the border of the ‘dry'(protestant) counties and the catholic counties.

I remember very well preachers pontificating on ‘dope’ when I was a teenager and when Nixon started the drug war and Reagan escalated it. So why are we here?

Some of the Founders insisted on a Bill of Rights because they saw the inherent dangers in the new constitution and in human nature, the same human nature that created the dominant(in the colonies) religion at that time and the same human nature that changes the cultural interpretation of the ancient tribal propaganda over time as human society evolves from god appointed monarchies to elected representatives.

Historically humanism often or always moves hand in hand with socialism. Atheism is not a religion. It is the lack of religion. Socialism stems from the same human nature as religion, the human desire, maybe genetic for a reason, to seek out a savior or king or whatever to wave its magic wand and solve all our problems for us. This is proven with every prez election cycle regardless of which tool gets to pretend to run the country for four years, often voted for because he uttered the word ‘jesus’ a few times or said “You can’t beat the bible.”

‘Jesus in the court house’ would mean the elected, hired and appointed public servants keeping his alleged commandments, ten or otherwise, the golden rule, etc. and holding a real love for their fellow ‘man’ in their hearts, not a childish rendition of what he probably didn’t look like even if he really existed.

We need a large and readable copy of the Bill of Rights in all the schools and a non commie ‘interpretation’ needs to be taught. But then we need to focus on getting the commies out of the schools and away from the children. This would do far more good than focusing on ‘artwork.’

I’ve read the Constitution a few times and the word ‘jesus’ isn’t in there neither is any mention of anyone’s ancient tribal propaganda.

When the Romans lost their republic after 80 years, as we did, was it because they failed to obey their pagan gods? When their empire finally did fall after hundreds of years what religion was becoming dominant, because of politics(which is human nature and vice versa)?

What will you all do when they come with the cattle cars? Humbly get on board? Is that what the Founders did? No, they killed their enemies. Do any of you have the courage to publicly say what will be required to save what Liberty we have left? Are you waiting on god’s army, which has never existed, to swoop down from heaven and save you? It’s a good thing the Founding generation didn’t have that attitude.

If god’s flock isn’t ready to hear such a message whose fault is that?

Love is a wonderful thing. But without real wisdom it’s at best wasted. Not everyone goes by the ‘golden rule’ and not everyone minds being a slave, whether to worldly or non worldly entities.

Which tax exempt church that Lyndon Johnson silenced politically(unless it’s a commie church fighting for ‘civil rights’) should they go to?

Congress actually praying is certainly one of the most hypocritical things I can imagine, no matter what rock they claim to be praying to.

The ‘tyranny of the majority’ is exactly what the Bill of Rights is about repressing. The same ideals that are supposed to protect the ‘atheists’ or whatever today should do the same for the future ‘christian’ minority. That’s how it’s supposed to work.

From reading the New Testament I think they’re already a minority. That ‘old time religion’ I used to hear the old folks singing about really is a thing of the past and if the big beam up happens so few will be taken that they’ll just be added to the missing person’s list and life will go on as if nothing happened.

But that’s how it works. Eventually they’ll re-write the ancient tribal propaganda to suit modern culture and pretend nothing ever happened. The average ignorant ‘believer’ won’t know the difference.

He’s right about a small group of people that want to control everything else. They’re on all sides. It’s human nature unfortunately, that ‘must control others’ gene that has been so prevalent for so long and goes hand in hand with the submissive who have been surviving to breed for such a long time.

I learned much from ‘christian patriots’ in my waking up years ago and have some respect for those who take a stand even for things I can’t agree with but they must learn to focus on what matters and on winning this war for real human Liberty not ancient misinterpreted mysticism. But they are a tiny minority of the religious population. The rest are like grass waiting to be mown down, rooted in mindlessness, modern pacifism and cowardice.

We’re at the bottom of a deep well. The light at top must be reason and logic, the real building blocks of our nation, not blind faith, or blind patriotism, or we will most certainly drown.

I don’t pretend to have all the answers. That’s the point.

And ‘scare tactics’ don’t work?